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Just making you aware of this story:
http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/24/ot ... e-war.html


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And the propaganda continues. Only a matter of time before this spreads to include other cities now.


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Don't you all know that the terrorists have won! They have change the way we live so much so that it's a PITA to travel as well as taking a simple picture.


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That doesn't mean terrorists have won, it just means people, for the most part, are idiots.


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That doesn't mean terrorists have won, it just means people, for the most part, are idiots.


any time you react to change how you carry out your lives after a terrorist incident, the bad guys won; simple as that.

It's no win really, if they don't have knee jerk reactions, the public is going to bitch and moan; if they do, the bad guys claim victory.

this is retarded. If it's a well planned attack, you wouldn't even notice their planning; that's why it's covert.

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They should of Nuked them!


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Yeah.... no. It's not the intention of terrorist groups, term used loosely here, to cause security to tighten up and fools to react with paranoia. These groups aren't behaving in the way they do for these things to happen - they haven't won anything because they don't give a shit what we do as long as it doesn't bother them. "They" certainly aren't sitting with smug satisfaction because photographers will be hassled by power-tripping security guards - they have bigger fish to fry. This has far more to do with our own government and how the population deals with nonsense like this. These laws act as a panacea for those that know no better.


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Has less to do with terrorism and more to with the erosion of our liberties giving them more control. Everyone can be considered suspicious and detained now, they could just say "we saw a camera on them". This now provides less rights and more control. It so funny, we are so free compared to the old communist countries ... but not for long.


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Another illadvised knee-jerk reaction to 9-11 and terror. I fully understand the intention of public authorities to protect us from attacks. I'd hate to see what happened in Madrid/London subways to occur here. But I doubt terrorists would take photos of their sites in the manner that photoenthusiasts would take the considered effort to capture the scene properly. I imagine they have enough downloadable internet shots of any intended target. If I were targeting a place I'd visit it without any image recording devices and use the internet to get shots that accurately reflect what I need.

OK - the terrorists haven't won - their intended goals of having all Western troops out of the middle east hasn't happened so this reduction to our civil liberties doesn't mean THEY have won - it just means we are losing something. That's war. BOTH sides invariably lose. Few winners. They are far from their objectves and we've lost a few more freedoms.

When dealing with mall cops or transit security the best thing is to be polite and not get annoyed at the stupidity foisted/entrusted upon them. That said, I am sure I will behave poorly when my first transit cop wanna be bothers me!!


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When dealing with mall cops or transit security the best thing is to be polite and not get annoyed at the stupidity foisted/entrusted upon them.


No, no...the best thing to do is get your camera phones out and record them, then post on the web! This is the modern day public hanging!! :twisted:


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imageone wrote:
Don't you all know that the terrorists have won! They have change the way we live so much so that it's a PITA to travel as well as taking a simple picture.


I just took a photo of my neighbor - a fine 44 year old lady. She's married to another man. It wasn't a pain. And I didn't need permission from a mullah to photograph her. Refresh my mind. Just how have the terrorists won?


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They should of Nuked them!

Advocating mass murder? Just who do we target selectively with nukes? Or is this bloke like metrix, someone who occassionally writes tosh and whose sarcasm isn't easily detected online? If so, ignore me as well.


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Damn Trevor, you've had too much coffee today :lol: light up and sit back, relax, the world is awesome...look at all these colours on the ceiling swirling around and around


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Much ado about nothing, NO LAW WAS PASSED OR CHANGED. It's just a campaign. Want to see it peter out? Get everyone on mass to call the cops whenever they see someone with a phone which would be every few seconds in Toronto. The campaign will quickly end.


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I just took a photo of my neighbor - a fine 44 year old lady. She's married to another man. It wasn't a pain. And I didn't need permission from a mullah to photograph her. Refresh my mind. Just how have the terrorists won?


Ok, now go out in public with a pro body and long lens and start taking pictures.


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Advocating mass murder? Just who do we target selectively with nukes? Or is this bloke like metrix, someone who occassionally writes tosh and whose sarcasm isn't easily detected online? If so, ignore me as well.


Ah...so you're saying no one died in those two buildings? It's war, crap happens, they started it!!


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the security industry is a business, first and foremost. And business is good. Seen the signs in Union station about reporting anything suspicious..? (like what, no further details...and then your suprised by paranoid public's over reaction to things?). I've been harassed by both the general public and the cops and you don't see my complaining about terrorists...some people are just stupid, and no amount of arguing with them, security or police will yield the results you want.


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imageone wrote:
Ah...so you're saying no one died in those two buildings? It's war, crap happens, they started it!!


Pathetic reply. Where did I say that? WHERE?
I'm from England where we've been victims of the very terrorist attack this post is about. I was on the very subway of the attach abouy 4 days before the attack. So don't put words in my mouth, mate.
Just WHO do you want to exterminate with a nuke? WHO?
And how many innocent civilians would also die? Answer that.

I've gone out in public with a pro body and long lens and took pictures.
Done. Now what?


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Damn Trevor, you've had too much coffee today :lol: light up and sit back, relax, the world is awesome...look at all these colours on the ceiling swirling around and around


I take offense to people that advocate killing thousands of innocent people. Coffee doesn't enter in to it. I am completely calm. :lol:
Enjoy your shrooms.


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PotatoEYE wrote:
light up and sit back, relax, the world is awesome...look at all these colours on the ceiling swirling around and around

What's the world coming to when you can't even take offense to a little mass murder? :lol:

Uh, I hope those swirling colours on the ceiling aren't from a police cruiser in the front yard...RUN potatoEYE, RUN!!!


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trev.nikon wrote:
I was on the very subway of the attach abouy 4 days before the attack.


Do you think I really care?!

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And how many innocent civilians would also die? Answer that.


Tell that to the 181 Canadian families!

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I've gone out in public with a pro body and long lens and took pictures.
Done. Now what?


Bravo!


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imageone,
I doubt few, if any, of the Canadians that lost loved ones on 9-11 would support any action that caused other families to experience the same pain and senseless loss that they deal with to this day.
Why use them to justify your misguided belief?


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No, no...the best thing to do is get your camera phones out and record them, then post on the web! This is the modern day public hanging!! :twisted:


What does it accomplish exactly?


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No, no...the best thing to do is get your camera phones out and record them, then post on the web! This is the modern day public hanging!! :twisted:


What does it accomplish exactly?


Nothing - other than making the foolish poster think he's meted out some sort of 'frontier justice'. You'd have to be foolish or naive to think security guards scour the web at night to see if someone one has posted something about them on the web.


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I was on the very subway of the attack about 4 days before the attack.

Do you think I really care?!!

Of course I don't.
Anyone who'd want to incinerate thousands of people in a nuclear holocaust is clearly incapable of caring. You pretend to care by evoking the sorrow of Canadian families. But advocating mass murder on a scale far worse than 9-11 surely doesn't differentiate you much from the terrorists.

But quit evading the question. Just who would you nuke and where?I can only hope you are still in in your teens.


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http://www.boingboing.net/2010/03/24/ot ... e-war.html



Just to give the grownups on the board a bit of perspective.
Compared to Canada, in the UK it is much harder to take photos of public spaces - train and tube stations, airports ..ect. Laws have been passed that gives local police increased powers to detain and question photographers suspected of nefarious intentions. The notion of individual freedom is not as broad in the UK as it is in America. In the UK, people are more likely to give up personal freedom if they perceive it to be in the public good. Now we have lawmakers creating laws that are out of touch and police officers who have nothing better to do than spend time on pedantic issues. It's not out of the ordinary to be photographing in London for the day and be asked by police officers to move along in the order of 6 to 10 times!!
I find Canada to be a breath of fresh air in that regard. I'lll see what NYC, site of 9-11, is like shortly.


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lol why are you blokes arguing about nukes.

filming idiots is the easiest way to bring public attention to the matter, look at the sleeping TTC guy or the police brutality videos. since you yourself have no authority over those people, and since their supervisors don't care most of the time, the only option you have is to bring the topic to light to the public and hope that it has a positive/changing effect.


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filming idiots is the easiest way to bring public attention to the matter, look at the sleeping TTC guy or the police brutality videos. since you yourself have no authority over those people, and since their supervisors don't care most of the time, the only option you have is to bring the topic to light to the public and hope that it has a positive/changing effect.


You're completely right. (and so is imageone in that regard). I wasn't thinking straight when I wrote that. Blame it on potateEye's veggies!!

Why are we nattering on about nukes? Only because Doctor Strangelove above thinks they are a viable option in combating terrorism and our resultant loss of personal liberties.


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To quote another recent post:

"Fer de luv of God I thought this was supposed to be a LIGHT-hearted discussion board."

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Rob MacLennan wrote:
To quote another recent post:

"Fer de luv of God I thought this was supposed to be a LIGHT-hearted discussion board."

;)


You mean, this isn't a light discussion? This is still tame compared to the old family get together at Christmas whenever religion, teachers or politics was brought up :lol:

Seriously though the banning can be taken too far and will be. Anyone who takes the reasoning behind it at face value is exactly the type of sheep that's needed to allow more policies to come down the pipe. Not ignoring that innocent people lost their lives that world changing day, I will not follow the reported stories leading up to that event blindly. Too many coincidence, too much information buried, destroyed, covered up and withheld to say it was done by who it was done. Was it terrorism? Sure was, it set the path for new laws taking away rights, government spending of tax dollars, and the signing up of troops! Yep, the public was sure terrorized.

Now the question is, who planned it? I guess start with who benefited from it? Next question, what sticks out like a sore thumb? WTC building 7's collapse. Also what happened to all the recordings from security cameras around the Pentagon from the surrounding buildings for the flightpath of that plane? Where was the plane debris from the 2 planes that didn't hit the WTC?

Plenty of stuff on the net, really interesting reading / vids ... and of course some garbage ones as well.


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