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Hey Ken,

I'm not going to quote the whole post because, well, I'm just going to address the last sentence - I guess I just enjoy mounting my own prints; acid free matte, non-reflective glass and I've even made my own frames - but I can appreciate where you're coming from - wrt paying someone to do the framing for you.

I'd have to look at the costs (and the time) involved in doing that - compare my time (and money for materials) with, say, someone doing the work for me.

In my case, well, single guy, no wife, no kids, I've got some (not a ton mind you) spare time that I can afford to spend framing my stuff. If you've got a wife/husband/kids/etc. then it becomes a bit more cumbersome imho and I would say that it is "cheaper" for you to pay someone to do a proper job than to do it yourself

Cheers,
Dave

Ryan, I think people (me especially) have a hard time discerning when you are being sarcastic. And it doesn't help that when they do miss it, your reply is either condescending or you put words in to their mouths as if you understand what they are thinking or believing.

All you need to do is indicate that your post was sarcastic or tongue in cheek. No need to react maliciously and provocatively to someone's misunderstanding of your intended meaning.
Your information is quite valuable. The way it is delivered is sometimes misconstrued and then it ends up in pointless bickering when the other person is offended. Just my 2 cents. Have a good day !!

Fionah in no way was my original reply sarcastic, it was intended to convey humour and it didn't warrant an off topic response directed at me about "sacrificing character for a buck" over a rather innocent statement:

"to get the good prices you should let him know that you are a photographer and can't pay retail."

Tuzi could have just asked what I meant.

If you don't get my humour thats OK. And I agree pointless bickering is indeed pointless bickering but don't expect me to play by what others think is proper.

My reply was no more sarcastic then Tuzi's and my use of the word fool was in answer to his 2 questions directed at me but the answers were not personally directed at Tuzi.

Just my 2 cents worth and now can we get back on topic?

Agreed - I don't have the time nor the ability/skill to frame to the quality I would want, hence I pay someone to do it. The same is true of my furniture. I'd love to have the time to design and build my own furniture from raw wood but it's just more economical for me to buy it (whether that furniture be IKEA or custom pieces). It all comes down to budget, time, needs and tastes.

Having said that, the frame and mount is an integral part of preserving a print. If preservation and protection is not an issue then budget, off the shelf, made in China frames may be sufficient for someone's needs. However as a photographer I value my prints and given the time and energy invested into producing them, I want to make sure they are presented in a way that not only is aesthetically pleasing but helps conserve the print.

You're right, I don't get your humour. It comes off like you take excessive issue with people that disagree with anything you say. After it is perceived as hostile, sarcastic, overbearing or mean, it seems like you dress it up as unrecognized humour AFTER the fact.
But if you say elsewise....


So yes, we can now get back on topic.

fionah how was my statement sarcastic? Maybe a bit ironic I'm not sure, certainly not be taken literally, certainly not dressed up as humour after the fact.

"to get the good prices you should let him know that you are a photographer and can't pay retail."

If you can't see the over the top reply including some sarcasm in Tuzi's reply, it's evident that at least one other person did.

You seem to see only what will support your own conclusions, maybe this is good trait for a person with your training, I just don't know.

No humour sarcasm or not intended in the above statement.

How do you decide on which type of glass to use?