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ps as you can tell Im very bad at explaining myself without doing it bluntly .. so here goes nothing .. Your telling me youve NEVER seen a girl use her good looks or her body to get something she wants? Thats what my original comment was supposed to potray.


Yeah, but that comes from disempowerment. If you're otherwise denied respect and promotions in the workplace then that is what one might resort to to get ahead.


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I find everything on this board is lighthearted which is great otherwise I would join the discussion at the Globe and Mail for more serious things.


It is 'lighthearted', yes, perhaps.. but it's ignoring larger and very important contexts and making light of things that aren't funny. This forum, while helpful, is very, very male dominated and far too often there are dialogues going on that while 'lighthearted' are ultimately quite sexist and it's so, so tiring to be reading those on a regular basis. Perhaps if this sort of language is kept in check a bit then there might be more women participating on this forum.


I don't think its the language or content on this forum. I just think in general (IMHO) more men participate in forums than women. I don't know why this may be the case but I don't know any women friends that post on forums on a regular basis.


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It is unfortunate that this shoddy and woefully incomplete article is put forward as the facts of the case. I have direct knowledge of the case that I can't discuss in public and think it is really disturbing what very relevant information is absent from the report (and would have been available to a reporter who would have asked).


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Propeganda .. News is full of it .. They show what will make a better story


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It is unfortunate that this shoddy and woefully incomplete article is put forward as the facts of the case. I have direct knowledge of the case that I can't discuss in public and think it is really disturbing what very relevant information is absent from the report (and would have been available to a reporter who would have asked).


Simply, was he right or wrong?


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I agree with Sean in this case.

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It is unfortunate that this shoddy and woefully incomplete article is put forward as the facts of the case. I have direct knowledge of the case that I can't discuss in public and think it is really disturbing what very relevant information is absent from the report (and would have been available to a reporter who would have asked).


Simply, was he right or wrong?


Who is "he"?


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It is unfortunate that this shoddy and woefully incomplete article is put forward as the facts of the case. I have direct knowledge of the case that I can't discuss in public and think it is really disturbing what very relevant information is absent from the report (and would have been available to a reporter who would have asked).


Simply, was he right or wrong?


Who is "he"?


Since I only have the article to go by, did John Cursio break conflict of interest rules?


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Not in my opinion.


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I don't think this is a woman using her body as power (again, an entirely problematic and untrue thing to say).. this is a man abusing his power to get someone close to him a job - spouses, relatives.. hello nepotism.

I agree with you fullheartedly. The issue here isn't that someone used sexual favours to obtain a perk/job/money. It is about abuse of power/nepotism.

But in Mr. Walczak's defense (and I was equally guilty) the OP's remarks looked at the story from the perspective of the woman/photographer getting something due to her involvment with the politician and that coloured our responses. I am sure the OP meant it as a lighthearted take on the situation.


I find everything on this board is lighthearted which is great otherwise I would join the discussion at the Globe and Mail for more serious things.


As this thread bears witness, others do not share that opinion. Many people post serious reasoned well-thought out responses.

But not me.


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One look at the gentleman's photo reveals it was anything but easy. :wink:
I doubt I could accept anything less than a 7 digit salary to be involved with him!! But the whole story adds credence to the old adage "It's not what you know, it's who you bl........................"


So if it had been Adam Giambrone you'd be fine with 5 figures? :lol:


No. But perhaps I don't find him as attractive as you do. :lol:
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The ttc does have its own in house photographer. There was an opening two years ago when I applied. It required someone competent in digital photography as well as someone who could use a wet/dark room.


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One look at the gentleman's photo reveals it was anything but easy. :wink:
I doubt I could accept anything less than a 7 digit salary to be involved with him!! But the whole story adds credence to the old adage "It's not what you know, it's who you bl........................"


So if it had been Adam Giambrone you'd be fine with 5 figures? :lol:


No. But perhaps I don't find him as attractive as you do. :lol:
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Not in my opinion.


there are several important "clues" in the article, that a more competent journalist might have pursued further.


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Not in my opinion.


there are several important "clues" in the article, that a more competent journalist might have pursued further.


A newspaper article is one thing but the TTC internal investigation wouldn't rely on a newspaper article would they?


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smlg.ca wrote:
Not in my opinion.


On the surface there would appear to be conflict.

http://www.toronto.ca/calldocuments/con ... policy.htm

If a reporter digs too deeply though, he can spoil a perfectly good story :lol:

[quote="fionah"]No. But perhaps I don't find him as attractive as you do. :lol:
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On the surface there would appear to be conflict.
http://www.toronto.ca/calldocuments/con ... policy.htm


He wasn't an employee of the City of Toronto. He was an employee of the TTC.

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If a reporter digs too deeply though, he can spoil a perfectly good story :lol:


Sad, but true.


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He wasn't an employee of the City of Toronto. He was an employee of the TTC.

Sad, but true.


My mistake. I thought that an employee of a City corporation would be required to follow City of Toronto guidelines. Actually the TTC guidelines are even more on-point in this matter.

[color=blue][i]3.0 Guidelines On Conflict Of Interest

3.1 Employees of the TTC are expected to conduct themselves with personal integrity, ethics, honesty and diligence in performing their duties for the organization and in their business dealings. Employees are required to support and advance the interests of the TTC and avoid placing themselves in situations where their personal interests actually or potentially conflict with the interests of the TTC. For the purpose of this policy, references to the TTC include the TTC Insurance Company Limited, Toronto Coach Terminal Inc. and Toronto Consultants Limited (together,


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This is why having the full facts of the story that the article eludes to, but doesn't further explore, are important (and are the parts of the story I can't discuss).


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This is why having the full facts of the story that the article eludes to, but doesn't further explore, are important (and are the parts of the story I can't discuss).


I don't see what more details we need to know. Regardless of the nature of the relationship he had with the photographer he failed to declare a conflict of interest. I take it you know one of the parties involved.

"A conflict may occur when an interest benefits any member of an employee


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I agree that is what it says. What I'm saying is that it isn't applicable for reasons I can't discuss.

I'm working on the projects in question and know the parties involved in that respect.


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This is why having the full facts of the story that the article eludes to, but doesn't further explore, are important (and are the parts of the story I can't discuss).


I don't see what more details we need to know. Regardless of the nature of the relationship he had with the photographer he failed to declare a conflict of interest. I take it you know one of the parties involved.

"A conflict may occur when an interest benefits any member of an employee


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Well put, Mr. Holmes.


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Dave.. I hardly ever visit this website and first time in about a year today. Last time I saw you it was to call me Bill Mattock's protoge', then it was get up to speed on 'relationships' now it's reading comprehension 101!

You sure get around!

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jannx wrote:
Dave.. I hardly ever visit this website and first time in about a year today. Last time I saw you it was to call me Bill Mattock's protoge', then it was get up to speed on 'relationships' now it's reading comprehension 101!

You sure get around!

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LOL - look who's talking Jan :lol: :lol: :lol:

you're all over the map and all over the clock too.. posting at all hours of the day and night :)

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He wasn't an employee of the City of Toronto. He was an employee of the TTC.

Sad, but true.


My mistake. I thought that an employee of a City corporation would be required to follow City of Toronto guidelines. Actually the TTC guidelines are even more on-point in this matter.

[color=blue][i]3.0 Guidelines On Conflict Of Interest

3.1 Employees of the TTC are expected to conduct themselves with personal integrity, ethics, honesty and diligence in performing their duties for the organization and in their business dealings. Employees are required to support and advance the interests of the TTC and avoid placing themselves in situations where their personal interests actually or potentially conflict with the interests of the TTC. For the purpose of this policy, references to the TTC include the TTC Insurance Company Limited, Toronto Coach Terminal Inc. and Toronto Consultants Limited (together,


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He wasn't an employee of the City of Toronto. He was an employee of the TTC.

Sad, but true.


My mistake. I thought that an employee of a City corporation would be required to follow City of Toronto guidelines. Actually the TTC guidelines are even more on-point in this matter.

[color=blue][i]3.0 Guidelines On Conflict Of Interest

3.1 Employees of the TTC are expected to conduct themselves with personal integrity, ethics, honesty and diligence in performing their duties for the organization and in their business dealings. Employees are required to support and advance the interests of the TTC and avoid placing themselves in situations where their personal interests actually or potentially conflict with the interests of the TTC. For the purpose of this policy, references to the TTC include the TTC Insurance Company Limited, Toronto Coach Terminal Inc. and Toronto Consultants Limited (together,


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Fer de luv of God I thought this was supposed to be a LIGHT-hearted discussion board.


Sorry, force of habit. A couple of the motorcycle riding folks here can confirm that I moderate the Law and Highway Traffic Act section of a local motorcycle board.


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Fer de luv of God I thought this was supposed to be a LIGHT-hearted discussion board.


Sorry, force of habit. A couple of the motorcycle riding folks here can confirm that I moderate the Law and Highway Traffic Act section of a local motorcycle board.


Confirmed. Rob is regularly the calm voice of reason referencing actual laws in a sea of absent minded kids. I still have a hard time believing that after all these years he hasn't ran out of patience. I know I did, back in '06.


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Fer de luv of God I thought this was supposed to be a LIGHT-hearted discussion board.


Sorry, force of habit. A couple of the motorcycle riding folks here can confirm that I moderate the Law and Highway Traffic Act section of a local motorcycle board.


Confirmed. Rob is regularly the calm voice of reason referencing actual laws in a sea of absent minded kids. I still have a hard time believing that after all these years he hasn't ran out of patience. I know I did, back in '06.


'06? You see see how it is these days.


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