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Jeff Ascough has been playing with a pre-production 7D for a short while, and just posted up a few sample shots on his blog:

http://jeffascough.typepad.com/jeff_asc ... ignan.html

I'm impressed at how good the AWB is for tungsten lighting now. And the noise levels at ISO 1600 aren't too bad, considering they squeezed 18 million photosites into a 1.6x crop sensor. It will be interesting to see how the raw files turn out, without the benefit of in-camera NR, but having post-processing tools at one's disposal.

For those who don't know, Jeff is a world-renowned wedding photog who is known for (among other things) his stunning B&W prints from his Leica and Nocti 50/1.0. To hear him say the 7D produces images with "film-like qualities" is quite significant.


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I'm still puzzled why this camera was released, what niche is it trying to fill


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blue dragon wrote:
I'm still puzzled why this camera was released, what niche is it trying to fill


It's not trying to fill a niche, it's an update to the 50D. A very nice update.


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The D300/D300s competition niche.

It fills the 50D to 5D void. Canon doesn't have a 2K body to compete with Nikon here. It jumps from $1100 to $3000.

I think it's a great camera on paper, have to wait for high iso tests to really judge it.


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blue dragon wrote:
I'm still puzzled why this camera was released, what niche is it trying to fill

Like the EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS lens, I see the 7D as another sign of Canon's commitment to the 1.6x cropped sensor format. Not everyone worships at the foot of the full-frame altar, and the 7D is a "pro" level camera that takes EF-S lenses and retains the other advantages of a cropped sensor. There was NO choice in Canon's lineup until now. Most people I know of thought the 40D -> 50D upgrade was the least impressive in the history of that series. The 7D solves that very nicely for those with a $2000 budget.


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I'm still puzzled why this camera was released, what niche is it trying to fill

Like the EF-S 17-55/2.8 IS lens, I see the 7D as another sign of Canon's commitment to the 1.6x cropped sensor format. Not everyone worships at the foot of the full-frame altar, and the 7D is a "pro" level camera that takes EF-S lenses and retains the other advantages of a cropped sensor. There was NO choice in Canon's lineup until now. Most people I know of thought the 40D -> 50D upgrade was the least impressive in the history of that series. The 7D solves that very nicely for those with a $2000 budget.


+1 I hope the specs are not just hype .. if it delivers on the promise then it will be a welcome addition to the EOS family.


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Here is a short video shot by a group of Filipino photographers on the 7D:

http://vimeo.com/6487566


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 11, 2009 12:06 am 
Not bad. The 24 fps is nice, I know some people couldn't careless and rather have smoother video with a higher fps but that 24 fps gives it that 'cinema' touch.

Trying to see if there was any of the 'jello' effect with some of the faster video but hard to see any of it, need to see if there were any videos that tested for this, which could be in this link (which also includes the one posted by taob):

http://camerarentalz.com/canon-7d-footage/


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Nikon & Sony have woken up the sleeping beast (Canon). We're in for some ride now ;)


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Heh, I wonder what Jim Jannard and his merry band of RED cultists have to say about the Canon 7D now. I'm sure he is pulling out all the stops and finding every little thing wrong about the 7D so it doesn't kill off sales of his still-vapourware RED Scarlet. Off to visit their forums... :twisted:


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taob wrote:
Heh, I wonder what Jim Jannard and his merry band of RED cultists have to say about the Canon 7D now. I'm sure he is pulling out all the stops and finding every little thing wrong about the 7D so it doesn't kill off sales of his still-vapourware RED Scarlet. Off to visit their forums... :twisted:


Brian would you have considered staying with Canon if they had the 7d when you switched? It seems that the 7d was designed at price and feature point to fit for the pro shooter like wedding photographers. I'm not sure the 5d was ever meant for that market.


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Metrix wrote:
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Heh, I wonder what Jim Jannard and his merry band of RED cultists have to say about the Canon 7D now. I'm sure he is pulling out all the stops and finding every little thing wrong about the 7D so it doesn't kill off sales of his still-vapourware RED Scarlet. Off to visit their forums... :twisted:


Brian would you have considered staying with Canon if they had the 7d when you switched? It seems that the 7d was designed at price and feature point to fit for the pro shooter like wedding photographers. I'm not sure the 5d was ever meant for that market.

I'm willing to bet that the next version of the 5D will have all of the 7D's enhancements. That's evolution ....


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Metrix wrote:
Brian would you have considered staying with Canon if they had the 7d when you switched?

If the 7D had been introduced (and available) a year ago, it is likely that I would not even have considered switching. But, of course, that did not happen. I imagine 5D Mark II sales would have been cut dramatically at the expense of the 7D had they been introduced together. Perhaps Canon was just tentatively testing the demand for VDSLR's at the time, and did not want to commit to a two-body offering.

It's still too early to tell if Canon has addressed their AF consistency issues with the 7D, and they have not announced any new zooms that can rival Nikon's 14-24/2.8, 24-70/2.8 and 70-200/2.8 setup. The 7D adds wireless capability to the pop-up flash, which Nikon has had for years.

I'm only mildly interested in video capabilities, so to me the most significant upgrade is the AF system. The number of AF points, their arrangement, the availability of cross-type sensors, the flexibility in AF area (spot, single, zone), etc. all add up to a HUGE step above anything they else in Canon's lineup. The orientation-linked AF point selection is a killer feature that I've only dreamed about for years. Now we wait to see if the AF system can perform as well as the paper specs indicate, or if Canon has another 1D Mark III debacle on their hands.

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It seems that the 7d was designed at price and feature point to fit for the pro shooter like wedding photographers. I'm not sure the 5d was ever meant for that market.

It's funny you say that, because many of the pro wedding photographers I know are downplaying the 7D because of the high megapixel count and cropped sensor (which I think is a BS attitude, but that's a different story). The original 5D was hugely popular in wedding circles, and now the 5D Mark II sparked off this whole photo/video wedding "fusion" thing. Many wedding pros leave the 5D2 in 10-megapixel mode and only switch to 21-megapixel mode if needed. A full-frame sensor is a big deal for some people, especially those who shoot with the likes of the 16-35/2.8L and cannot get an equivalent FOV with fast apertures on a cropped body.


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I posted this in response to a similar question on my blog:

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Hello, I am a close friend of one if your former clients and wanted to ask you a question regarding your decision to jump ship. With the recent release of th 7D coined as the camera created by the users, do you have any regrets in your decision to abandon Canon? Do you think Canon has finally noticed the error in their ways or is it too little too late. Your 17-55 EF-S lens would have been a great match to the new 7D.


Hello, close-friend-of-former-client (you are allowed to post your name, you know ;-)). Although the Canon 7D seems to have perplexed a good many people ("what do you mean it isn't a full-frame sensor?!?"), I think it is precisely the right camera that Canon needs to push out in the market right now. It offers a fantastic new AF system (possibly even better than the 1-series?), 8 fps burst mode, 18 megapixels, decent high ISO noise control, 1080/24p video, a built-in wireless master flash, and retains compatibility with all EF and EF-S lenses. All this for around the $2000 price point. It fills the gaping hole that once existed between the Rebel and 50D series, and the 5D and 1D series.

However, many of the reasons why I switched were not related to features specific to a particular model of camera body. It had more to do with the way Nikon and Canon operate. Nikon has never shied away from putting high-end features into their mid-range cameras (e.g., compare the D700's feature set with the D3, or the dual-slot feature of the upcoming D300s). Canon prefers to strongly differentiate their camera bodies, so you get exactly what you pay for. Never more, never less. Had I stuck with Canon, my choice would have been between the $5000 1D Mark III or $8000 1Ds Mark III. Instead I have the $3000 D700 (two of them now) that does much of what both those Canon cameras do combined, and then some.

On top of that, it is not clear that Canon's product philosophy has really changed that much. Nikon still crams more useful little features and specs into their cameras than Canon. I rarely hear of people needing to send their Nikon bodies and lenses back for focus calibration, whereas it seems like standard operating procedure for many professional Canon shooters. Nikon's flash metering and wireless CLS still works better than Canon's equivalent (that has not changed with the 7D). Canon has a better selection of fast, wide primes, but Nikon's holy trinity of pro zooms (14-24/28, 24-70/2.8, 70-200/2.8) beats the Canon equivalents hands down.

I suspect that had the 7D been available a year ago, it would have been enough to keep me from looking around at Nikon's offerings. After the unimpressive 50D, the 7D is just what Canon needs to boost their commitment to the 1.6x crop format. But today, in the fall of 2009, I'm not feeling the least bit of regret over the switch. After all, I've shot the 2009 season with a pair of wonderful D700's already. Switching based solely on body specifications will be a losing proposition, because who knows what the D700s or D700x will bring? And then the 7D Mark II or perhaps a digital Canon 3D after that?


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My 50D is sold, the 7D will compliment my 1DIII nicely. I don't need full frame...........


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My 50D is sold, the 7D will compliment my 1DIII nicely. I don't need full frame...........


I will take good care of your 50D, be sure, I have a birthday coming up, it would make me the happiest dude on earth if I get it as a gift :wink:


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I will take good care of your 50D, be sure, I have a birthday coming up, it would make me the happiest dude on earth if I get it as a gift :wink:

Already gave it to the buyer yesterday :). B&H has the 7D for about $1700 US, and henrys for about $2100. Why the $400 difference, I guess, I'll be buying from B&H.


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I will take good care of your 50D, be sure, I have a birthday coming up, it would make me the happiest dude on earth if I get it as a gift :wink:

Already gave it to the buyer yesterday :). B&H has the 7D for about $1700 US, and henrys for about $2100. Why the $400 difference, I guess, I'll be buying from B&H.


DUH, the difference is because we're in Canada


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7D shipping next week as per RG:

http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/conten ... 0043-10270

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More technical info about the 7D from CPS Europe:

http://cpn.canon-europe.com/content/technical/eos7d.do


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[i]Manual selection: Spot AF


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Not sure if this was posted before .. User manual:

http://gdlp01.c-wss.com/gds/0/030000258 ... -im-en.pdf

BTW, some in Europe have already got their paws on the 7D. Rumour has it that Aden will sell of their pre-orders today. Henry's might get them on Monday. Good times ...


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blue dragon wrote:
I'm still puzzled why this camera was released, what niche is it trying to fill


The 7D is to sports/wildlife shooters what the 5DmII is to landscape/studio shooters. A high performance body without the 1 series size and price.


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7D is also a great paparazzi tool :lol:


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Picked up my 7D at Henry's Mississauga just now. It's shipping in the GTA all over. The config options (especially for AF) are vast. Looking forward to testing it out with my 24L-II. Cheers.


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sabesh wrote:
Picked up my 7D at Henry's Mississauga just now. It's shipping in the GTA all over. The config options (especially for AF) are vast. Looking forward to testing it out with my 24L-II. Cheers.


Hey can't wait to see some test shots from you! Seems like a great camera at this price range.

Thanks Mike


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Picked up my 7D at Henry's Mississauga just now. It's shipping in the GTA all over. The config options (especially for AF) are vast. Looking forward to testing it out with my 24L-II. Cheers.


Hey can't wait to see some test shots from you! Seems like a great camera at this price range.

Thanks Mike


I'm liking this DSLR very much. It's really quite impressive with it's rich feature set. High ISO noise is well controlled and the AF system is just amazing. I'll be shooting with it exclusively for the next few days (new toy phase, lol). You can check out some samples here. Will be adding more as I keep shooting:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/sabesh/

Cheers,

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Thanks Sabesh. I like your shots with your new toy! Great colours and sharpness!

I also added you as my flickr contact.

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Exposure wrote:
Thanks Sabesh. I like your shots with your new toy! Great colours and sharpness!

I also added you as my flickr contact.

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Thx Mike! I've added a few more. Cheers.


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