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PostPosted: Tue May 11, 2010 9:19 pm 
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OMG after seeing what camera raw 6 does to images I can no longer use Lightroom 2, it just doesn't look right! While LR is like ketchup on the images, Camera Raw 6 just feels like butter, smooth and tasty.

I am hoping next issue of LR (3) will use CR6 as a standard engine.


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erm, major changes/differences?


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mike wrote:
erm, major changes/differences?


erm, yeah!

http://www.photoshopcafe.com/cs5/ACR6.htm


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Yes, ACR 6 is quite cool and so is CS5 .. a nice step up.


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For some reason, after installing ACR6, the colours in my images have gone a bit wonky... They look a bit posterized as if the colour depth has been limited. I tried opening the same RAWs in DPP and the issue wasn't there. I didn't have this issue prior to installing ACR6 either =\


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BernardChan wrote:
For some reason, after installing ACR6, the colours in my images have gone a bit wonky... They look a bit posterized as if the colour depth has been limited. I tried opening the same RAWs in DPP and the issue wasn't there. I didn't have this issue prior to installing ACR6 either =\


what camera? maybe it's an issue with raw bug for that specific camera body?


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I'm shooting with 5DII...


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I'm shooting with 5DII...


Hmmm, I'll hold off until you resolve the issue. Is this on a mac or PC?


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Have you try going thru all the adjustments again?

I would expect with big processing engine change like this, all images will probably need to be reprocessed to get the best out of them.


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This is on PC...

I will try to post some pics tonight.

@mings: These were with totally newly shot images out off the camera. I didn't apply any other adjustments (straight from import).


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Sorry Everyone!! False Alarm... I think installing CS5 may have did something to my colour profile and reset it... When I recalibrated the problem went away!


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PotatoEYE wrote:
OMG after seeing what camera raw 6 does to images I can no longer use Lightroom 2, it just doesn't look right! While LR is like ketchup on the images, Camera Raw 6 just feels like butter, smooth and tasty.


Interesting use of condiment metaphors. So what you're trying to say is that LR2 doesn't quite cut the mustard any more :wink:

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I am hoping next issue of LR (3) will use CR6 as a standard engine.
It should. To my knowledge LR and Camera Raw always have and always will share the same RAW processing engine. What we see in CR 6 is what was released in the LR3 Beta (I think there were 2 versions). I can't see ADOBE engineering 2 different RAW decoders.

But what do I know? :wink:


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Yeah LR 3 will use CR6, it's not fully developed yet though.


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PotatoEYE wrote:
mike wrote:
erm, major changes/differences?


erm, yeah!

http://www.photoshopcafe.com/cs5/ACR6.htm



As a hobbyist, I try to stay off the camera upgrade and software upgrade treadmill. I haven't updated with each new CS iteration, I still use a 30D. I am trying to decide if the new version of CS is worth my while or of I'll skip a generation. That article was pretty convincing until I got to the end and saw the author....Mr. Davis. He's part of that cabal at NAPP that have never met an ADOBE upgrade or plug-in they can't resist recommending - even for the blind. :lol:

I'd be more interested in YOUR opinion potatoEYE - and that of other TPMG'ers. Do you see the improvement mostly or restricted mainly to images with noise? or is there a marked improvement with most of your images?


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in some blogs you find people raving over things like ACR's new Custom Lens Correction Profiles. When I read these and it makes me wonder how I've managed to get by without these tools :lol:

Seriously, how much improvement do these add? Does it work more for less-than-stellar lenses than it would for say expensive 'L' lenses? Or are these features that only professionals with critical files used in upsized posters would care about? or people doing wall mounted art photos?


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Ok, what I noticed on my first-ever-and-still-shooting XSI is that raw results look significantly different when you look at them at 100%, first is the detail amount that is reproduced. I open the same picture in LR2 (old CR5.7) and Bridge CS5 (new CR6). The results are quite a bit different at the same settings. Then when I go to tweaking things get even more interesting. With new CR6 contrast slider you get a very different punch in the photo, it's more photographically appealing so-to-say. Also adds a bit of colour punch, now when you move over to Saturation and Vibrance and bump it up it actually looks good, unlike in CR5 where it just ruined the whole colour detail by washing it out with saturation. I have noticed the noise handling and sharpening became quite more practical and appealing. It's like film-looking grain instead of digital-looking pixelation if you oversharpen the photo. More detail in noise suppression as well. It does look and feel like a different engine.

I never really read anything about those products, I test them, so it's my personal feel about this upgrade. I think this is a good leap for digital photography processing here.


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philmar wrote:
Seriously, how much improvement do these add? Does it work more for less-than-stellar lenses than it would for say expensive 'L' lenses? Or are these features that only professionals with critical files used in upsized posters would care about? or people doing wall mounted art photos?


If you look at it like that and you don't care about the appearance of your prints, I'd say don't even look into upgrading. I suspect you're quite happy with what you already have, so there is no need for you.

I always wanted my photos to look the way they actually do now with CR6 :D that makes me happy and not so eager to upgrade the body anymore


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philmar wrote:
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mike wrote:
erm, major changes/differences?


erm, yeah!

http://www.photoshopcafe.com/cs5/ACR6.htm



As a hobbyist, I try to stay off the camera upgrade and software upgrade treadmill. I haven't updated with each new CS iteration, I still use a 30D. I am trying to decide if the new version of CS is worth my while or of I'll skip a generation. That article was pretty convincing until I got to the end and saw the author....Mr. Davis. He's part of that cabal at NAPP that have never met an ADOBE upgrade or plug-in they can't resist recommending - even for the blind. :lol:

I'd be more interested in YOUR opinion potatoEYE - and that of other TPMG'ers. Do you see the improvement mostly or restricted mainly to images with noise? or is there a marked improvement with most of your images?


I'm waiting for the plug in issues to be resolved if I move to CS5. Would have been great if Bruce was still around for his opinion


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the Adobe forums have a few comments about how the sliders in ACR 6 don't respond as fast as in previous versions. There is a slight lag in time. Adobe hasn't addressed that concern yet. The users postulate that the slowness is because the noise reduction and sharpening algorithms in ACR 6 are the reason why. In ACR 6 the NR actually does calculations - thus causing the delay.


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I've heard the delayed unresponsice slider program happens with the 6.1 upgrade....and ONLY if you have the automatic lens correction enabled.


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but don't they have like 4 camera bodies and several lens profiles only for that?


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