Toronto Photography Meetup Group

what: 10th World Wushu Championships
when: oct 24th-29th
where: Ricoh Coliseum, Toronto

Registration for the contest is free but you will need to buy a ticket to enter the building...DSLRs, no point & shoots, film is ok but it needs to be entered digitally (you scan it yourself )

single day competition tickets are $18 and $38 for the whole competition week, opening ceremonies is $28 rear seating $48 front seating

this will be the biggest sporting event in toronto this year, in the next few weeks you will see or hear about this event everywhere

prizes include a 5D mk II as the grand prize, $500 first place prize, canon's point & shoot cameras and more

www.10thwwc.com
for more details right side menu "SNAP FU" photography contest

I think I know what I'm doing now for that stretch... dammit

This sounds like a great event for Toronto

Woah, soo cool. I'm down for this...

Crud, double post.

Thanks for the the heads up Ray!

wow after all Ray's previous posts about looking for unpaid photographers to shoot the competitions they seem to have come a little bit closer to actually compensating photographers by dangling a prize in front of their noses. They will still get a whack of free photography to use any way they way, of course.

this is in the application pdf:

"By submitting to the 10th World Wushu Championships Photography Contest "Snap Fu", the contestant grants 10thWWC and TPA, their sponsors and their affiliates the unrestricted rights to use photograph(s) for any purpose. This includes, but not limited to, publishing your photograph(s) in print or electronic form for promotional purposes without further compensation, and the right to use the photographers name as a credit along with the photograph. Neither the organizers, sponsors nor its agencies of this contest are responsible for entries that are lost, late, delayed, misdirected, unintelligible, illegible, incomplete, postage due, stolen, returned, separated, damaged, or undeliverable entries or mail. Proof of mailing is not proof of delivery. The photograph(s) submitted shall not be returned to the contestants, but may be dealt with in any way as 10thWWC and TPA see fit."

there are people who give their photos away and there those who charge thousands of dollars for a single shot. apple sells apps/ hardware at a premium, Google gives it away for free.
everyone has their own motivations and it is for them to judge if they are getting a benefit out of it. just because someone gives things away, doesn't mean they did not read the fine print or didn't understand the value of their work.
trying to educate people to value their work is admirable, but this is just beating the dead horse.
If there is a "pro" (in any field) out there that thinks competing with freebies is something new, then they need a reality check.

ACK! I didn't read the application form yet. Figured it's a month and a half away. Good to know.

I haven't read the rules, but if it's not stated, you can always send in low rez images!

Good luck everyone.

I figured I'd give the rules a read since my curiosity is peaked. Turns out you need to submit a 5MP or larger image that are watermark free.

Seems that if you register, you get credentials to access a photo section during the tourney.

sure thing the whole point of photo contests is mainly free promo material for use in their ads etc. One of you will get a camera perhaps, but they will save thousands of $ on getting promo shots

damn... I thought the same.. read the fine print closer to when I buy tickets

ah well, spend $60 in tickets and give away my photos sounds like a party to me

if companies dont get rights to use the images then what would be the point? we're not making money by selling your photos...not even to promote a company but rather the sport of Wushu and Sanshou

we also have other photographers willing to shoot the event for coverage and will not be participating in the contest...so even if there's not a lot of entries it doesn't matter.

the point of this contest is to create a feel of a professional international event with as many photographers, spectators etc

this will be one of the biggest sporting events EVER in ontario...this isn't some small event in a banquet hall, we have the full support from The Ministry of Health Promotion and the City of Toronto...

i know how you guys feel because i feel the same way when i see other contests or volunteer jobs...but this event is different and even i would join if i could

anyways its up to you if you want to miss out on it

So change the agreement to state that the entries will be used for the purpose of the contest only and any further use of the photos will be compensated appropriately. The way it's worded now, if the organization were truly cynical, they can continue to use the submitted images (winning or not) for the rest of time for their promotional literature. I'm not saying they're going to but there's a solid business case for them to do so if the entries are good enough.

I will come if I get free entry, since you need photos, not me

I suppose one way to get around this would be to register, gain access, shoot the event and then not submit anything to the contest. I notice that the organizers will have an "upload centre" available on site to encourage photographers to give them as many photos as possible and there's no limit to the number of photos that can be submitted.

I'm pretty sure I'll be there for 2 or 3 days regardless.

Like most photo contests, the photographer generally agrees to give the organizers unrestricted use of the images.

If you're there as a journalist and you're being paid by the press etc that's one thing. If you're there for yourself and think that you have the rights to sell the images as your artwork, ask yourself this... did you get a signed release form from the competitors or organizing committee granting you rights to sell the images?

So even if you did go to this event and shoot a bunch of amazing images, I'm not sure if you will have the rights to sell them as your own. That's the policy for most sporting events I've shot at. Unless you've applied for a photo pass, any images taken at the events are for personal use only.

Biggest sporting event EVER in Ontario? Bigger than the RBC Canadian Open and Toronto Indy?

+1. Well said. There's tons of free Apple apps. We don't complain when we download free apps but whine like a baby when somebody's giving out their pics for free.

To tell you the truth, I am ok with submitting images for contests, so they can use them however they want, I just don't want to pay for their oportunity to get free pics at least should be free of entry fee for those who submit

+1 BIGDADDYHAME

I'm looking at this from the other side, if anyone can get in for free by entering the contest, who will pay the ticket to get in? Everyone can just signup for the contest to get in for free.

Agreed. That's a slap in the face.

I'm not joining because I don't want to get hit with a flying spear but thanks Ray for posting.

The point is, YOU didn't take the shot, so you should pay for it You as in your organization.




If you need to CREATE a feel, someone screwed up down the line. No world championships that I know of need something like this to "create a feel of an international event". Do you see TIFF / FINA / F1 / World Cup / Olympics doing this?



I don't read Chinese newspapers. If I were to go by the papers that I get regularly and not having seen the Chinese media available at my gf's house, I wouldn't even know of this event. That's telling you something about your marketing people.



how's it different? they're both voluntary and they're both taking advantage of casual photographers. Pretty soon, everyone'd would be expected to PAY to take pics and then turn them in at the end of the day for free. YOU guys are just the first ones to do this.

i respect everyone's thoughts on making sure photographers aren't getting skimped out on potential paid work, but don't all contests require you to pretty much give away your photo's to them?

most do; which is why the ones that do are also viewed as rights grabbing scams.

People who think this is right / reasonable is simply in denial. I have yet to see organizers of the 2009 robotics competition lay claim to all the design patents of the teams that entered such competition. FOM doesn't own the designs of the cars that compete in F1 each year, who the HELL do these people think they are that they can own unlimited rights to the photos in photography competition?

You don't need to have a signed release for stock editorial usage of the image. Commercial usage is a different story.


Of course you would, they want your money and pics!

i don't know how many people they are expecting but unlimited number of entries is a bad idea.

even if there are like 100 participants and each dump their entire memory card for the day for the contest, there will be too many pictures to be judged properly.

think of the martial artists, where they'll have like 100 strobes going off at once especially on an aerial or something...

You'd just see white spots everywhere, and that would be bad for the weapons competitions

How is the winner picked? I hate to find out that a friend/family member of the event organizers won to keep the prizes within the group.