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PostPosted: Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:45 pm 
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Can't wait to see this one. Wet plate collodion and what oh yeah!!!

"If this was easy everybody could do it"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gI3WAEXJXDk


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This looks very good, can't wait.


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Looking forward to it.


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Looks really good - Love Sally Mann too


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Shuttereye wrote:
"If this was easy everybody could do it"

+1...like how everyone with a dslr is a pro


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The proper link for this:
http://www.artistsandalchemists.com/


Anyway it doesn't do a thing for me.

It's more of this talk from people who have only known "safety film" that digital is the END of photography, when there will still be new formats to be created in the future.

Yes these photographers are trying to learn the art as it was done previously, but they still have their biases that plastic film is the be all and end all of photography and that anything that comes after is "nothing".

The bigotry against digital shown in the clip is disappointing, and would ruin the actual movie if it was included. What they should really show is how people in the past had a bigotry against 135/35mm format, not to mention colour film. That would show that back then photographers were just as bigoted against anything new in photography as today's photographers are about digital.

Ansel Adams on the other hand was enthusiastic about computer photo editing at the end of his life...I'd rather hear from him (if he was still alive) than these other jokers in the clip!


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I understand there wil always be biases. Heck APUG can attest to that. I personally follow a hybrid workflow though I am getting a 4x5 (guess that's downgrading coming from digital) for reasons I believe it falls within my workflow and I don't have to sell a kidney to get a near digital equivalent.

Any printing process before silver gelatin gets my interest. Any discussion about analog or digital superiority is pointless to me. It never stops and it just keeps on going. It touches a nerve on both sides but i rather embrace the best of both and keep going the hybrid way.


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I'm an easy sell for a movie about photography. ;)

Not so crazy about the "when I was your age" undertones. LOL I saw the Alien Bee lighting in one of the scenes. As they didn't have Alien Bees in the 1800's, I am already against the accuracy of the revival part.


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Well my understanding on the revival part of the alternative process is print processing the old way but incorporating the new tools of today and advancement of technology. Contact printing from digital capture is odd but they are doing it today.

Haven't noticed the AB but if you say it's there, then the photographer follows a hybrid flow or maybe just part of the gear.

Looking forward to seeing this and I hope it's a hybrid path they take.


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The AB's are at the 34 second mark on the right side of the screen.

As for their workflow... any chance at learning something new is golden. :D


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Magic wrote:
The AB's are at the 34 second mark on the right side of the screen.

As for their workflow... any chance at learning something new is golden. :D


Ken's platinum/palladium ad hoc is up for March. The tonal range of the process is unbelievable. The digital pics you see is a far cry from the actual print in hand.


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I have no idea about the cost (but I presume it is prohibitive) but there do exist technologies for projecting digital images onto photographic paper.

http://www.de-vere.com/products.htm


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I have no idea about the cost (but I presume it is prohibitive) but there do exist technologies for projecting digital images onto photographic paper.

http://www.de-vere.com/products.htm


Thats interesting. Hard to find info on though.


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I print my digital negatives on acetate using an Epson printer. A bit of a learning curve to the density right. Lots of info out there on how to approach this method then contact print away.


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bigdaddyhame wrote:
I have no idea about the cost (but I presume it is prohibitive) but there do exist technologies for projecting digital images onto photographic paper.


I have access to a film recorder, a device that transfers digital images to 35mm film/slides. It is a beast:
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Since it's not used anymore, I could try to rip the guts out and turn it into an enlarger.


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I had one guy on a flickr forum who wanted me to argue pros and cons of Film over Digital (he was a film user). He was incensed that I would not argue based on the fact that the argument would be pointless and circular. Being based on his prejudices against digital medium.

I visited that forum 2 months later and he was there arguing with a group of other idiots in a massive circular argument about digital vs film.

This film could be interesting but it could be like that guy.


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